Showing posts with label FRCrP 06(e). Show all posts
Showing posts with label FRCrP 06(e). Show all posts

Saturday, April 23, 2011

Prosecutor's Disclosure of Tax Records; of Section 6103 and Rule 6(e) (4/23/11)

In Lampton v. Diaz, 639 F.3d 223 (5th Cir. 2011), decided 4/18/11, the Fifth Circuit succinctly stated the issue addressed and holding in its opening paragraph:

In Imbler v. Pachtman, 424 U.S. 409, 430 (1976), the Court held that prosecutors retain common-law immunity from suit for all actions "intimately associated with the judicial phase of the criminal process." This appeal raises the issue of whether that absolute immunity extends to a prosecutor's post-trial transfer of private federal tax records to a state ethics commission. Concluding that it does not, we affirm the denial of a motion to dismiss.
In order to understand the issues I want to discuss in this blog, it is important to have a clear fix on the facts. I will quote the Fifth Circuit's summary of the facts and procedural history, but the facts and procedural history are more nuanced. For more detail, see the district court's opinion, Lampton v. Diaz, 2010 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 44738 (SD Miss. 2010). The Fifth Circuit's statement of facts is:
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Thursday, July 8, 2010

More on HSBC Initiative and DOJ Tax Division Authority to Conduct Criminal Tax Investigations

The Wall Street Journal has an article today here with further discussion of the new HSBC initiative which I discussed earlier here. I just want to focus on one picky point in the article. The article quotes the DOJ Tax Division letter (signed by himself, Kevin Downing) as concluding with the following: "You are further advised, that you are the subject of a criminal investigation being conducted by the Tax Division."

As I discussed in a prior blog here, I question the authority of the Tax Division to conduct a criminal tax investigation. A grand jury can certainly conduct a criminal tax investigation, but I presume that, if Mr. Downing were acting as a designated attorney for the grand jury, he would have had to identify himself as doing so and stated that the investigation was a grand jury investigation. That is not what he says. So I guess he is acting, as he says, under some authority that he assumes the Tax Division has to conduct criminal tax investigations. If he is right, then I am wrong.

One other thing I do note with respect to these supposed DOJ Tax criminal tax investigations -- there seems to be a glitch in the secrecy safeguards around tax matters.  Criminal tax investigations conducted by the IRS are covered by Section 6103; criminal tax investigations conducted by the grand jury are covered by Rule 6(e); criminal tax investigations conducted by the Tax Division are not covered, meaning, I suppose, that information and documents gathered in such investigations may be disseminated as DOJ Tax and its attorneys see fit.  I don't think that is the right result if one considers the spirit of Section 6103 and Rule 6(e) in the context of criminal tax investigations.  Which may be a good reason to question DOJ Tax's claim of authority to conduct such investigations.

Saturday, December 19, 2009

Guilty Plea in SLOTS Tax Shelter

On December 1, 2009, Michael Parker pled guilty to one count of Klein conspiracy in a tax shelter scheme using the ubiquitous tax shelter trademark -- an acronym, in this case SLOTS for Sale Leaseback of Tenant Improvements Strategy. According to the DOJ press release for the original indictment in October, two parties were indicted -- David Haynor, an accountant/tax partner with KPMG, and Jon Flask, a lawyer. Parker, COO of a "tax-advantaged investments company," was named in a contemporaneous criminal information and entered a plea agreement. The original DOJ Tax press release is here.

According to the DOJ Tax press release on the guilty plea on December 1 here:

According to the plea agreement and statements made during the hearing before United States District Judge Sandra S. Beckwith in Cincinnati, Parker admitted to conspiring with Daryl Haynor, an accountant who was a tax partner at KPMG LLC, in its Tysons Corner, Va., office, and Jon Flask, an attorney for TransCapital, who was a partner at a law firm in Vienna, Va., to defraud the IRS with regard to tax shelter transactions. Parker admitted that he was both a CPA and an attorney, but acted as the Chief Operating Officer of TransCaptial Corporation. In October 2009, Haynor and Flask were indicted for conspiracy to defraud the IRS and for corruptly endeavoring to obstruct and impede the due administration of the internal revenue laws.

According to the plea agreement and statements made during the hearing, from 1998 through 2006, Parker, Haynor and Flask marketed and implemented a tax shelter to KPMG clients called the Sale Leaseback of Tenant Improvements Strategy (SLOTS), which enabled various U.S. corporations to claim tax deductions totaling more than $240 million on corporate income tax returns filed with the IRS. During 2002 through 2004, the IRS audited three U.S. corporations that had claimed losses generated by SLOTS transactions, including The Kroger Company. Parker identified Kroger as the Fortune 500 corporation which did the largest SLOTS tax shelter transaction, and which claimed over $178 million in loss deductions, causing over $64 million in tax loss to the IRS. Parker admitted that he, Haynor and Flask conspired to impede and impair the IRS by making false and misleading statements to IRS agents and attorneys during these audits, including the Kroger audit. Additionally, Parker admitted that he, Haynor and Flask concealed certain aspects of the tax shelter transaction from SLOTS clients, including Kroger, for the purpose of impeding and impairing the IRS. Parker further acknowledged that the SLOTS tax shelter and related transactions were themselves nothing more than devices to disguise and conceal mere financing transactions.
Other than the press releases and the smattering of newspaper articles that I have read, I have no further detail. I do, however, have several comments based on the press release.

1. The plea is to conspiracy which is the sole count in the information as well as in the indictments of the others. It is noteworth, I think, that the Government did not include tax evasion counts. I suppose this can serve as warning to taxpayers and practitioners that the Government stands ready to indict for misbehaving even if the tax shelter is not fraudulent.

2. The plea to conspiracy offers the Government great advantage in the ongoing case against the other two indicted defendants.

3. For students not familiar with the song and dance for DOJ Tax press releases, you will note that the press release is careful to state that the information is from the guilty plea. In press releases such as this DOJ Tax and the IRS have to be careful to provide only information that it has derived from public information such as indictments and guilty pleas in order to not violate Section 6103, the general prohibition on disclosing return information which is defined broadly to include the fruits of IRS investigations. A parallel rule, FRCrP Rule 6(e) prohibits disclosure of grand jury matters, so DOJ Tax and the IRS have to be careful to include in press releases only information that has been made public.

Monday, August 17, 2009

Get in Line Brother #18c - McCarthy, the Financial Side and Bits and Pieces

This will be my last planned foray into the McCarthy indictment.

The Financial Side

1. Civil Taxes, Penalties and Interest. McCarthy agrees to pay the tax, interest and civil fraud penalty on the tax on "the net income on all funds held in foreign bank accounts" for calendar years 2003-2007. He had not yet filed his 2008 tax return, so presumably he will report that correctly and not be subject to any penalty. The amount of tax and thus resulting interest and fraud penalty is not stated, so this promise to pay apparently does permit him to contest the amount of tax on which interest and civil fraud penalty will be based. Note that this agreement assumes other foreign accounts used for tax evasion; by contrast, his sentencing factors are designed to consider only the UBS account disclosed by UBS. He further agrees to cooperate in making the appropriate calculations. The settlement is basically the same as the current voluntary disclosure initiative, except particpants in the initiative pay a 20% accuracy related penalty rather than the 75% fraud penalty.

2. FBAR Penalty. McCarthy agrees to a single FBAR penalty of 50% in the one identified UBS account for the highest amount year during the period from 2003-2008. Why are the other accounts left out of this penalty? He did after all admit willfulness in failing to file them. Note, however, that this settlement is consistent with the current voluntary disclosure initiative, except that the penalty for that single year is 50% rather than 20% as is offered in the voluntary initiative, but the 20% applies to all foreign accounts whereas McCarthy's deal is 50% of a single account. Real comparisons to the financial cost of the current iniative therefore cannot be made because the plea documents do not provide the necessary information.

Bits and Pieces

1. Grand jury matters. The defendant agrees to "give up any and all objections that could be asserted" to the IRS about the IRS recieving "materials or information obtained during the criminal investigation of this matter, include materials and information obtained through the grand jury process." I have blogged facets this issue here. So, I summarily note here, that the agreement is a recognition that these materials were not obtained in an IRS investigation because the IRS can share with other IRS components the fruits of its investigation without any such waiver from the defendant (or taxpayer). This agreement is really an attempt by the Government to end run FRCrP Rule 6(e) which imposes grand jury secrecy. The agreement seems to treat Rule 6(e) as a right that the person to whom the materials relate can waive. My understanding is that the rationale of Rule 6(e) sweeps broader than that and goes to the heart of the grand jury system to keep such matters secret until released in a proper way. The proper way grand jury material gets released is in the courtroom, a public forum, pursuant to a proper proceeding or by a Rule 6(e) order. Because of the plea agreement, there is no public proceeding in which all of these documents will be introduced and thus available to the IRS. (I suppose the IRS could force them into the public record in a sentencing hearing proceeding about the tax loss number and, perhaps, about the proper Section Two Part S calculations.) And, a Rule 6(e) order for the release to the IRS for civil tax purposes is expressly prohibited by Supreme Court authority. (I guess the IRS might be able to thread that needle by having the defendant agree to contractual restitution for these amounts and seeing if the court would have some type of public proceeding to permit it to dump the documents into the public record, but that would be too blatant an end-run around Rule 6(e).) I have had this genre of battle with an AUSA before who requested a similar waiver. I told him that my client would give it, but I did not think a waiver really solved his 6(e) problem. I think he agreed with my analysis because he then backed off the request and found another way to get around 6(e) -- by delivering all the documents back to the defendant whereupon the IRS had access to them through its usual processes. The solution may not be available in the McCarthy case because the documents are probably not the defendant's documents. The IRS would have to release them to UBS and whether or not UBS would then have an incentive -- either by compulsory process or otherwise -- to give them over to the IRS civil division is unknown. However, the agreement could have required McCarthy to request these documents from UBS and then turn them over to the IRS. The point I am making at too much length is that the Government simply solved the problem in the wrong way.

2. Restitution? The plea states that "Defendant understands that the Court may order defendant to pay any additional taxes, interest and penalties that defendant owes to the United States and may order defendant to pay any additional fines that defendant owes to the United States." Plea ¶ 5. The plea cites no authority for the taxes, penalties and interest reimbursement, and I am aware of no authority for it unless the defendant agrees to contractual restitution which would, then, permit court enforcement of the contract. In this regard, independent of contractual restitution, restitution is permitted only for the crime of conviction (tax crimes is not one, but the crime of conviction is not a tax crime). The crime of conviction is the failure to file an information report, and there is no dollar harm to the United States from failure to file an information report. Of course, the IRS does have the full array of tax determination, assessment and collection tools for any tax, interest and penalties.

Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Get in Line Brother #14 - Another Plea in UBS

Another UBS client, one Jeff Chernick, pled guilty. These guilty pleas may become ho-hum after a while, so in the future I will post these items when they have some interesting twist or feature I want to discuss. These are the items I find interesting in the Chernick plea (taken from the Plea Agreement and the related Statement of Facts).

1. For context, the defendant's corporation represented Hong Kong and Chinese toy manufacturers for a number of years. Such arrangements with foreign payors offer an opportunity to have compensation flow off the U.S. radar screen. It did so here.

2. Beginning in about 1981, the defendant established foreign accounts for the purpose of concealing income from the IRS. The accounts appear to have been principally in the name of offshore entities that the defendant owned and controlled. One of these entities is identified as the owner of a UBS account. The defendant is identified as the owner of that entity in an "internal UBS Form A, Verification of the Beneficial Owner's Identity, dated April 19, 2002." There is no indication of the source for this particular "internal UBS Form." If indeed it is an internal UBS form, presumably neither the taxpayer nor the U.S. would have access to it through the normal course of events. Question: how did it surface? Good question. There is another indication in the plea agreement discussed below that the U.S. learned of this document through disclosures UBS made pursuant to the UBS deferred prosecution agreement.

3. Money came into these accounts. The defendant would take out significant amounts for various personal expenses (typically just under $300,000 per year). Notwithstanding that, by 2005, the account balance at one of the accounts (there were more than one) was $8,000,000. (This is an odd way to state it and leaves open the issue of how much there was in the other accounts.)

4. A Swiss bank executive serving as a manager for cross-border business assisted the defendant. That executive left UBS because he was concerned about UBS joining the U.S. qualified intermediary program. In 2003, that executive convinced the defendant to invest a portion of his assets in another Swiss bank that was smaller, had no presence in the U.S. and was not in the U.S. qualified intermediary program. The executive told defendant that this smaller Swiss bank could not be pressured to disclose his identity and account information to U.S. authorities.

5. From about 1998 through 2008, defendant had several meetings with that executive, other UBS executives and a Swiss lawyer in the United States to discuss the accounts at UBS and the other Swiss Bank. When traveling to the United States for these meetings the executive and Swiss lawyer would "dress as tourists to avoid detection." The executive "would falsely report to United States customs that he was coming to visit his brother." The account statements to be discussed at these meetings were mailed to a U.S. address rather than hand-carried in order to prevent their seizure by customs agents if carried with the Swiss persons. Further, the account statements would have the identifying information cut from them "so that they could not be tied to the defendant and his accounts."

6. In approximately 2004, defendant on Swiss attorney's advice entered a sham loan transaction in which defendant borrowed his own money from an offshore account to fund the purchase of property. Although knowing the transaction was a sham, defendant "instructed his United States tax return preparer to deduct the 'loan interest' he paid on his income tax returns." (Note that this admission alone admits guilt as to the crimes of tax evasion and tax perjury for the years in which the interest was claimed as a deduction.)

7. In 2008, as the U.S. ramped up the pressure on UBS, the defendant consulted with the Swiss attorney about his concerns that UBS would disclose his identity and account information to U.S. authorities and the possibility of repatriating the money to the U.S. The Swiss attorney then told the defendant that UBS was not disclosing his accounts to the IRS . The Swiss attorney represented that he had received this information from a Swiss official who must be paid $45,000 for it, and, with defendant's authorization, the Swiss attorney withdrew $45,000 to pay that amount. (Note that the defendant participated in the payment of a bribe to a Swiss official, but the agreement is otherwise silent as to that; I suppose it is equally consistent with the public documents that the Swiss attorney pocketed the amount he advised defendant was to be paid to the Swiss official.)

8. For the years 2002 - 2007, the defendant did not file FBARs and did not report the earnings from the foreign accounts on his U.S. tax return (Form 1040). Specific details are given for the 2007 1040. For all years, defendant knowingly and willfully failed to report the income from the foreign accounts. Note that these admissions admit guilt of tax evasion and/or tax perjury for each of these years and perhaps also guilt of failure to file the FBARs, although the language is not as crisp on that.

9. For this pattern of behavior (not all details recounted above), defendant pleads to a single count of tax perjury, § 7206(1), for 2007. His factual admissions do admit guilt of the behavior for all of the years from 2002 - 2007 (all of which are probably still open under the 6-year criminal statute of limitations, presuming that he filed the 2002 return on extension after 7/27/03). Yet he pleads to a single count. This is important, because the single count plea caps the sentence -- incarceration period -- at 3 years (subject to 15% good time credit).

10. The Guidelines advisory sentence range will be determined by including all of the relevant conduct. Relevant conduct is all conduct from the same pattern of behavior involved in the count of the conviction (here tax perjury for 2007). Here, the defendant has been conducting this pattern of behavior since 1981. This means that, for calculating the critical base offense level as the starting point for the sentencing calculations, all tax evaded since 1981 could be included in the "tax loss" calculation. Properly calculating relevant conduct, therefore, the Guidelines range would certainly exceed the 3-year maximum sentence for the single count of conviction pursuant to the plea and would mean that that defendant's Guideline sentence would be 3 years. Notwithstanding that truism, the Plea Agreement says:

a. Tax Loss: The relevant amount of actual, probable, or intended tax loss under Section 2T1.1 of the Sentencing Guidelines resulting from the offense committed in this case and all relevant conduct is the tax loss associated with accounts at UBS that were disclosed to the Government pursuant to the Deferred Prosecution Agreement with UBS, and of which the defendant was the beneficial owner for tax years 2001 through 2007.
Focus on what this agreement does. First, it signals that the U.S. discovered this defendant pursuant to UBS disclosures under the DPA. Second, it “limits” the tax loss calculation to considering only tax loss in the years 2001-2007 and then only the tax loss attributable to the UBS accounts. As noted above, the relevant conduct for sentencing purposes includes all such behavior for all years (here since 1981).

Quite frankly, I am stunned that the Department of Justice would enter an agreement that states something that is patently false. It is true that the Plea Agreement does state that this stipulation as to the relevant conduct tax loss is not binding on the probation office or the court, but it is still a falsehood -- let's call it a lie (which is a word DOJ Tax uses when taxpayers or their enablers engage in similar behavior) -- to state, as it clearly does, that the tax loss so constricted is

The relevant amount of actual, probable, or intended tax loss under Section 2T1.1 of the Sentencing Guidelines resulting from the offense committed in this case and all relevant conduct . . . .
11. The U.S. agrees to recommend a sentence at the low end of the Guideline range as determined by the court. As noted above, there is no low end of the Guideline range, properly calculated, that is less than the 3 year sentence, so on a properly calculated range, this defendant has an indicated Guidelines sentence of 3 years for the count of conviction. Of course, under Booker, the judge can vary downwards, but the facts admitted in the plea agreement do not seem to me to argue in favor of a downward variance. Undoubtedly, more relevant facts will come out in the sentencing process, so the sentencing judge may find some of those persuasive.

12. The FBAR civil penalties for the open years (2001-2007) are resolved by paying a 50% penalty for a single year "the one year with the highest balance in the account as of June 30 for calendar years 2001 through 2007." It is unclear what this means since he had multiple accounts but the agreement is as to what appears to be a single account. Even if all accounts are included, the limitation to one year is sweet indeed. Note that in trying to coax all other as yet undiscovered and possibly never to be discovered taxpayers absent voluntary disclosure into the voluntary disclosure program, the Government in its FAQs tries coax then into a single year 20% penalty by threatening a 50% penalty for each year. How is this a credible threat when it imposes only a single 50% penalty in a criminal case involving a pattern of behavior that is far more egregious that most cases? Couldn’t one reasonably conclude that if the worst befell, the worst case is really 50% for a single year, which is not that much more draconian than the 20% that the IRS insists on for voluntary disclosure? Is the signal that the real cost / benefit analysis for the voluntary disclosure program more skewed against joining the program than the IRS noises about?

13. The following provision of the plea agreement is curious:

D. The defendant further agrees that any evidence, including statements and documents, provided to the United States by the defendant pursuant to a Proffer Agreement, without any limitations, can be utilized by the United States in its civil examination, determination, assessment, and collection of income taxes related to his income tax returns and any related corporate/entity tax returns, or any other civil proceeding. The United States does not deem this, in any way, to be a waiver of the defendant's attorney-client privilege with respect to any attorney.
This raises the issue of whether the information provided pursuant to the Proffer Agreement is grand jury information. If it is, this portion of the agreement contemplates behavior that appears to violate FRCrP Rule 6(e) without an express Rule 6(e) order which cannot be obtained for a civil tax audit. I have previously blogged on this general issue here.

Friday, June 5, 2009

DOJ Tax Division Criminal Tax Investigation Authority

In the KPMG-related criminal case in the Southern District of New York, two issues arose regarding the scope of the authority of the Department of Justice Tax Division ("DOJ Tax") with respect to criminal tax matters. The issues were:

1. Does DOJ Tax have authority to conduct a criminal tax investigation independent of a grand jury investigation?

2. Does DOJ Tax have authority to prosecute or authorize prosecution of a federal tax crime if the IRS does not agree with the prosecution?

Each of these questions have a context that I shall discuss. Suffice it to say at this point that I made a FOIA request to DOJ Tax (here) to try to obtain answers to these questions. The DOJ Tax FOIA response (here) is quite cryptic and simply refers to the provisions of 28 CFR Section 0.70 (online version here). (Actually, the copy of the CFR provision enclosed with DOJ Tax's response is an earlier version than the current one I link to, but I don't think there were any changes in the later version, other than that redesignating the provision as subpart M rather than subpart N in the earlier version provided by DOJ Tax.) The DOJ Tax response also refers generally to the IRS Internal Revenue Manual ("IRM") (access here) without specific citation; I have been unable to discern how the IRM could possibly establish DOJ Tax authority in the subject areas, since the IRM deals with internal IRS procedures.
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Monday, May 4, 2009

Professional Prohibitions to Disclosing Client Information in Grand Jury Investigations

State-related agencies regulate professional practice of lawyers and CPAs. Among the obligations imposed upon these professions is an obligation to protect client information. This blog deals with the CPAs obligations to protect client information, although much of the analysis applies to lawyers as well.

A state agency related obligation to protect client information does not make that information privileged in the federal system. The federal system recognizes the attorney-client privilege, but that privilege is narrower than the obligation of a lawyer to protect client information. And, most importantly for this blog's purpose, the federal system recognizes no CPA client privilege. The federal system does have a modified privilege in Section 7525 that are applicable in noncriminal cases.

In Texas, the CPA obligation to protect client information is found in Tex. Occ. Code Ann. § 901.457 (West 2004); 34 Tex. Reg. 428 (2009) (to be codified as amendment to 22 Tex. Admin. Code § 501.75, effective January 28, 2009) (Tex. Bd. of Pub. Accountancy, Confidential Client Communications). These provisions permit disclosure in relevant part (i) if the client authorizes it and (ii) under legal compulsion defined to mean an IRS summons, an SEC summons, or under a court order (the actual provision is a bit awkwardly worded, but that is the gist). The federal grand jury subpoena is not within the exceptions. In practice, however, the Texas Board of Public Accountancy has interpreted and applied the provisions to permit disclosure pursuant to a grand jury subpoena.

In In re Grand Jury Proceedings, Grand Jury No. 08-4, 2009 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 36066 (WD TX 2009), a CPA -- anonymously identified as John Doe ("Doe") -- received a grand jury subpoena for documents within the scope of the state prohibition. Doe moved to quash the subpoena on the basis that the actual language of the Texas prohibitions on disclosure did not cover a grand jury subpoena and that a court order is required. The Texas Board filed a letter brief agreeing that federal pre-emption required that the grand jury subpoena pre-empt the Texas rules so that the grand jury subpoena was a compulsory process that required disclosure without a court order. The court so held.

Practitioners in other jurisdictions should be aware that analogous anomalies may exist in their CPA rules and consider this case in shaping response on behalf of CPAs. But beyond determining what to do upon receipt of a grand jury subpoena, I think the more important lesson is that in the context of federal tax crimes, at a minimum compulsory process is required. Thus, the Texas rules cover IRS summonses in particular and now this decision (as well as the Board's own interpretation) cover grand jury subpoenas. But, it is clear that, short of those compulsory processes the CPA may not disclose.

In representing one of the defendants in the KPMG grand jury investigation, this issue came up. The prosecutors leading the grand jury investigation wanted my client to disclose the information otherwise covered by these Texas prohibitions in a proffer session without issuing a grand jury subpoena. (An IRS summons could not be issued because the matter had been referred to DOJ.) My client refused, citing the prohibition of state law. The prosecutors persisted in their demands, and accused my client of wrongfully impairing the investigation by my client's insistence upon complying with these prohibitions. I had confirmed with the Texas Board that my client's interpretation of their rules was correct and that a grand jury subpoena was required. I urged the prosecutors to discuss the issue with the Texas Board; the prosecutors refused to do so, saying that they did not care what the Texas Board thought. This impasse was never resolved, but the most amazing point was that the prosecutors absolutely and strongly insisted that my client violate the law and abused my client for not doing so.

And, not only did the prosecutors insist that my client violate the state law, the prosecutors seemed to be insist that my client violate a parallel federal prohibition in Section 7216 of the Code. That provision prohibits tax return preparers from disclosing information without compulsory process. Since the prosecutors refused to issue a grand jury subpoena, my client had no compulsory process allowing disclosure under Section 7216. The Regulations under Section 7216 permit disclosure to an "officer" of the grand jury and, of course, the prosecutors' only role was as representatives of the grand jury investigation that they were conducting. So, Section 7216 did not appear to be an insuperable barrier, but I did ask the prosecutors to confirm in writing that they were acting in their roles as prosecutors for the grand jury investigation. Although that was fairly obvious (at least to me), the prosecutors refused to so state in writing, and chose instead to heap abuse on me for asking for that representation in writing. (One of the prosecutors actually accused me of "fabricating" the position.)

Finally, one may ask about this episode with the prosecutors why they would not have issued a grand jury subpoena at the beginning. I was told that they wanted their proffer session to be free of the strictures of FRCrP Rule 6(e) which mandates the secrecy of grand jury matters. The prosecutors wanted to be free to deliver to the IRS the fruits of their efforts without being bound by Rule 6(e). I told the prosecutor with whom I dealt that I did not think that mere failure to use the grand jury subpoena would solve the 6(e) problem, because their role was as attorneys for the grand jury and 6(e) was thus implicated and governing. That is another issue so I will leave it for another day.